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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffJonathan Aizen Date: Nov 8, 2002 7:02am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Re: Re: Suggestion for the board

I am not sure what you mean by this. Other than on the main page of the website all posts are displayed with replies nested underneath. Am I missing something in your question?

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Staffbleblanc Date: Nov 8, 2002 11:23am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Re: Re: Suggestion for the board

I think what he means is that rather than seeing this:

Suggestion for the board
Re: Suggestion for the board
Re: Re: Suggestion for the board
Re: Re: Re: Suggestion for the board

All he would like to see is one link for this:

Suggestion for the board

And when you click on that, then you see all the responses below it, rather than a separate link for each response.

To voice another opinion, I think that feature adds nothing. Rather than seeing links for additional posts, you see a number change from "2" to "3". This discussion board serves its purpose well, and adding that additional feature doesn't change much that I can see. Jon has provided a link for old posts, maybe a more reasonable request would be to make that link permanant above.

Sorry if I'm stepping on toes, I just don't see the value to justify the work.

-Brad

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffJonathan Aizen Date: Nov 8, 2002 2:56pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Suggestion for the board

The whole Re: Re: Re: thing is a bug I've tried working out. I'll look into it further soon. It's definitely annoying to see all those Re:'s. But I don't see changing the system so that the threaded nature is gone - it's nice to see the indented responses. Please do keep the conversation going though - the forum system was whipped up quickly and there is definitely room for improvement (although where the time to work on those improvements will come from, I'm not sure...)

This post was modified by Jonathan Aizen on 2002-11-08 22:56:11

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Poster: Erich Date: Nov 8, 2002 3:32pm
Forum: etree Subject: Also...

... I might also add the irritating nature of the tables to slowly shrink as the replys move further to the right. I doubt thas conducive to extended discussions.

tis all.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffJonathan Aizen Date: Nov 8, 2002 11:21pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Also...

yeah another bug - the tables shrink too much. added to the list. thanks for bearing with this.

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Poster: ssamadhi97 Date: Nov 9, 2002 1:26am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Also...

maybe let the tables cover more than 75% of the body width? and please reduce the space between posts and the height of the post headers to improve readability..

(and on a side note: exhaustive use of css might bring down the size of those forum pages significantly)

This post was modified by ssamadhi97 on 2002-11-09 09:26:32

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffJonathan Aizen Date: Nov 9, 2002 2:53am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Re: Also...

css will be incorporated into the next major website revision... that's a ways off i think, though.

in short the features are all on a to-do list, but won't be implemented for a while.

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Poster: Erich Date: Nov 8, 2002 3:16pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Suggestion

The reason i suggest vBulletin compared to this particular forum program is many fold:

1> a quoting system making it easier to know who youre replying to. the thread/branched system is ok, but once you get many responces its confusing as to whats where

2> Collapsed thread view so that not every response is out in the open, makes for much less clutter

3> this forum loads upon loading of archive.org/audio, and due to its larger nature causes a lag on my load time

4> The ability to manipulate the threads in order to make prominant the more important discussions. Yes, there are links to older threads, but lets be honest, whos going to check two pages back and reply to a recent response in an old thread? This way at least the current hot discussions are always lifted towards to the top, plus theres room to keep inportant notices as sticky threads at the top so people can see them.

5> Ability to profile posters for better intercommunication within the community itself. Its nice to click on a posteres name and see information on them and the prospect of easier communication (though obviously an optional thing).

6> its easy enough to strip down the program to allow for no "whistles and bells", so that people dont get caught up in avatars, post counts, and user titles, if thats what you wish. and on top of that, the layout of the page can be the threaded look you have on these forums (though colapseable for easier viewing). fully customed so as to fit the needs of both the web site and the posters.

Im not trying to sell you anything, sorry if it sounds it. But im spoiled when it comes to forums do to the simplicity of vBulletin yet amount of things it offers to make message board posting that much better. So if you guys dont consider it, i respect that completely and still commend you for an excelent job at what youre already doing.

Cheers

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffJonathan Aizen Date: Nov 8, 2002 10:44pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Re: Suggestion

Okay - cool features. I think a number of them I can implement in the current forum system.

> a quoting system making it easier to know who youre replying to

not too hard and very useful.

> this forum loads upon loading of archive.org/audio

that's the way we want it. we want the forums to be on the pages they're related to... that is one of the reasons we elected to write our own forum system. if it loads too slow, we can consider cutting down the number of posts it shows. right now i think it shows the last 200 top-level posts.

> The ability to manipulate the threads in order to make prominant the more important discussions
> reply to a recent response in an old thread

the main page displays the 50 most recent posts, regardless of when the first post appeared. i would highly suggest you visit that page to see what's new.

i'm sure vbulliten is good. the archive used to use ubbthreads, which was also a very very nice product. one problem is, as far as i know there are no third party products which will integrate with an existing, custom, login system. no one will want to register two accounts to use the internet archive. when trying to get ubbthreads to work within the context of the current site, i had more or less managed to get the two login system intertwined, but the number of days i spent working on it, and then the continued trouble i had integrating it with the rest of the site just didn't make it worthwhile.

but the features you point out are certainly nice, and i will attempt (when time permits) to bring some of them in. especially quoting.

keep the feature list coming, i definitely think there is room for improvement.

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